From syouens at talisman-energy.com Wed Oct 21 22:42:46 2009 From: syouens at talisman-energy.com (Youens, Simon) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:42:46 +0700 Subject: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey In-Reply-To: <001201ca1c65$878119e0$96834da0$@com> References: <4A83D42C.6070700@geocom.com.au> <001201ca1c65$878119e0$96834da0$@com> Message-ID: <1A63386B4F899F47BFA77D53BB4F45F543455B@HCMEXCH01.asia.tlm.com> I recently took the time to fill in the Annual Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey. I was very "Satisfied" after I had filled in the survey, but I don't think SLB will be "Satisfied" when they see what I wrote! Simon Youens From dave at stevens.com Thu Oct 22 12:01:10 2009 From: dave at stevens.com (J. D. STEVENS) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:01:10 -0500 Subject: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey In-Reply-To: <1A63386B4F899F47BFA77D53BB4F45F543455B@HCMEXCH01.asia.tlm.com> References: <4A83D42C.6070700@geocom.com.au> <001201ca1c65$878119e0$96834da0$@com> <1A63386B4F899F47BFA77D53BB4F45F543455B@HCMEXCH01.asia.tlm.com> Message-ID: <8872DE7A-7C7E-4A96-9FAB-380C5CBC2865@stevens.com> I started to fill out the survey and gave up very quickly. The guided nature of the survey didn't seem to provide a vehicle to express my opinions. I am not an end user of software from SIS. I help implement it and keep the infrastructure working at one company. It is fortunate that there are proficient support folk working for companies that use their software. The software support from the company becomes less as they continue to lay off people who understand how things work. Dave On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Youens, Simon wrote: > I recently took the time to fill in the Annual Geoframe Customer > Satisfaction Survey. > > I was very "Satisfied" after I had filled in the survey, but I don't > think SLB will be "Satisfied" when they see what I wrote! > > Simon Youens > > _______________________________________________ > GF mailing list > GF at stevens.com > http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/gf -- Dave Stevens Dave at Stevens.COM STEVENS.COM, Inc. 713-419-0313 Bellville, TX, USA http://www.stevens.com From syouens at talisman-energy.com Thu Oct 22 20:25:03 2009 From: syouens at talisman-energy.com (Youens, Simon) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:25:03 +0700 Subject: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey In-Reply-To: <8872DE7A-7C7E-4A96-9FAB-380C5CBC2865@stevens.com> References: <4A83D42C.6070700@geocom.com.au> <001201ca1c65$878119e0$96834da0$@com> <1A63386B4F899F47BFA77D53BB4F45F543455B@HCMEXCH01.asia.tlm.com> <8872DE7A-7C7E-4A96-9FAB-380C5CBC2865@stevens.com> Message-ID: <1A63386B4F899F47BFA77D53BB4F45F543466B@HCMEXCH01.asia.tlm.com> Dave, I know what you mean about the guided nature of the survey, but with 90% of my selections, including the overall one, being in the "Very Dissatisfied" category, coupled with my entirely negative write-up, I think my opinion was very clearly stated. I'm sure it won't do any good, but it made me feel better. On a related note, yesterday, I was loading an SLB VSP SEGY file and it wasn't loading properly. I was not seeing flat events. It turned out that their standard SEGY file has variable start times on each trace! Simon -----Original Message----- From: J. D. STEVENS [mailto:dave at stevens.com] Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:01 AM To: Youens, Simon Cc: gf at stevens.com Subject: Re: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey I started to fill out the survey and gave up very quickly. The guided nature of the survey didn't seem to provide a vehicle to express my opinions. I am not an end user of software from SIS. I help implement it and keep the infrastructure working at one company. It is fortunate that there are proficient support folk working for companies that use their software. The software support from the company becomes less as they continue to lay off people who understand how things work. Dave On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Youens, Simon wrote: > I recently took the time to fill in the Annual Geoframe Customer > Satisfaction Survey. > > I was very "Satisfied" after I had filled in the survey, but I don't > think SLB will be "Satisfied" when they see what I wrote! > > Simon Youens > > _______________________________________________ > GF mailing list > GF at stevens.com > http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/gf -- Dave Stevens Dave at Stevens.COM STEVENS.COM, Inc. 713-419-0313 Bellville, TX, USA http://www.stevens.com From Adam.Claxton at originenergy.com.au Sun Oct 25 16:42:50 2009 From: Adam.Claxton at originenergy.com.au (Claxton, Adam) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:42:50 +1000 Subject: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey References: <54E1E9E50CAA284D86B4EA28F075632901175D0453@eneperthex03> Message-ID: Gentlemen, I am on the email list for this forum but am not happy with its focus or supposed helpfulness. From the day it was set up it seems to be nothing more than a SLB whinge festival, with the current SLB Survey being the latest cause to chest beat. Last month's 'swear-word' email chain was its lowest point. I'll give it a few more months. Adam -----Original Message----- From: Taylor, Randall Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 2:52 PM To: Powell, Dean; Claxton, Adam; Hur, Ryun; Bierbrauer, Kay Subject: RE: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey Dean, I'm not concerned about these comments. Sounds like an issue with the generation of the SEGY file or user error. Randall PS how did you come by these comments? -----Original Message----- From: Powell, Dean Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 11:34 AM To: Claxton, Adam; Hur, Ryun; Taylor, Randall; Bierbrauer, Kay Subject: FW: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey Are you guys in the loop on these GF user group email exchanges? This latest loading comment has disturbing implications! Dean -----Original Message----- From: gf-bounces at stevens.com [mailto:gf-bounces at stevens.com] On Behalf Of Youens, Simon Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:25 AM To: J. D. STEVENS Cc: gf at stevens.com Subject: Re: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey Dave, I know what you mean about the guided nature of the survey, but with 90% of my selections, including the overall one, being in the "Very Dissatisfied" category, coupled with my entirely negative write-up, I think my opinion was very clearly stated. I'm sure it won't do any good, but it made me feel better. On a related note, yesterday, I was loading an SLB VSP SEGY file and it wasn't loading properly. I was not seeing flat events. It turned out that their standard SEGY file has variable start times on each trace! Simon -----Original Message----- From: J. D. STEVENS [mailto:dave at stevens.com] Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:01 AM To: Youens, Simon Cc: gf at stevens.com Subject: Re: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey I started to fill out the survey and gave up very quickly. The guided nature of the survey didn't seem to provide a vehicle to express my opinions. I am not an end user of software from SIS. I help implement it and keep the infrastructure working at one company. It is fortunate that there are proficient support folk working for companies that use their software. The software support from the company becomes less as they continue to lay off people who understand how things work. Dave On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Youens, Simon wrote: > I recently took the time to fill in the Annual Geoframe Customer > Satisfaction Survey. > > I was very "Satisfied" after I had filled in the survey, but I don't > think SLB will be "Satisfied" when they see what I wrote! > > Simon Youens > > _______________________________________________ > GF mailing list > GF at stevens.com > http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/gf -- Dave Stevens Dave at Stevens.COM STEVENS.COM, Inc. 713-419-0313 Bellville, TX, USA http://www.stevens.com _______________________________________________ GF mailing list GF at stevens.com http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/gf _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Disclaimer: This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. From syouens at talisman-energy.com Sun Oct 25 21:49:41 2009 From: syouens at talisman-energy.com (Youens, Simon) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:49:41 +0700 Subject: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey In-Reply-To: References: <54E1E9E50CAA284D86B4EA28F075632901175D0453@eneperthex03> Message-ID: <1A63386B4F899F47BFA77D53BB4F45F54347DE@HCMEXCH01.asia.tlm.com> Adam, If you are not happy with my postings, then why don't you contribute something? I mean that in the nicest, most constructive way. Besides my frustrations with having to get to grips with GeoFrame (because it is a "corporate standard"), I am also disappointed with the lack of a decent user forum and believe me, I could really use one. The official SLB forum is moribund and I think that is partly because you have to remember to log in to see if anything useful has been posted. This forum has the merit that any posts are pushed to the users and it is easy to scan the posts and reply if you feel the urge to do so, as you and I are demonstrating. However, as Dave Stevens has commented before, a forum like this needs a critical mass of subscribers in order to generate useful and interesting discussions and advice. I would strongly recommend that you subscribe to the SMT Kingdom forum for a while to see what I mean: (http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/3dpak) You will find a lot of useful information and quick answers to user's questions. On the other hand, there is also a lot of criticism and requests for new features or bug fixes. However, to SMT's credit, they do pay attention and frequently respond. I would also suggest that you try to get as many other GeoFrame users as possible to subscribe and start contributing. Some informed discussion here would be very useful and who knows, SLB might even pay some attention and fix some of Geoframe's problems. For some background information, I had five years of Landmark experience in the early 90s, followed by six years of pre-GeoFrame IESX experience (including managing the Unix environment) and then eight years of Kingdom experience. I have now been working with GeoFrame for four months and have come a long way up the steep learning curve, but because of the difficulties of using the software and having to rely on others to load data and fix crashes (in one case, I was down for two weeks), I estimate I am about 60-70% as efficient as I was when using Kingdom. Simon -----Original Message----- From: gf-bounces at stevens.com [mailto:gf-bounces at stevens.com] On Behalf Of Claxton, Adam Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:43 AM To: gf at stevens.com Subject: Re: [GF] Geoframe Customer Satisfaction Survey Gentlemen, I am on the email list for this forum but am not happy with its focus or supposed helpfulness. From the day it was set up it seems to be nothing more than a SLB whinge festival, with the current SLB Survey being the latest cause to chest beat. Last month's 'swear-word' email chain was its lowest point. I'll give it a few more months. Adam From woollard at geocom.com.au Thu Oct 29 02:38:37 2009 From: woollard at geocom.com.au (Keith Woollard) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:38:37 +0800 Subject: [GF] copy after share Message-ID: <4AE9467D.2060503@geocom.com.au> I am having some trouble moving some data between projects. I have a base project with some surveys and a new project with a single survey containing about 1000 lines. In the base survey, I share in the new survey, then use copy, and finally unshare. I have found that sometimes the copy process just stops, and leaves me with both the "generate" and "close" buttons grey'ed out. The only way I can get rid of the window is to exit the data manager. The most annoying part is that the copy processes proceeds in a pseudo-random order, and so it is very hard to pick out the 300 or so lines it misses. Does anyone know why this happens? -- Keith Woollard Senior Consultant GeoCom Services Australia Pty Ltd (A.B.N. 63 068 362 498) Ph 61 (08)9243 3544 fx 61 (0)8 9246 9410 Email woollard at geocom.com.au Web www.geocom.com.au From woollard at geocom.com.au Thu Oct 29 02:42:55 2009 From: woollard at geocom.com.au (Keith Woollard) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:42:55 +0800 Subject: [GF] copy after share - details Message-ID: <4AE9477F.9020207@geocom.com.au> ..... and for the record, GF44 running on Linux I am having some trouble moving some data between projects. I have a base project with some surveys and a new project with a single survey containing about 1000 lines. In the base survey, I share in the new survey, then use copy, and finally unshare. I have found that sometimes the copy process just stops, and leaves me with both the "generate" and "close" buttons grey'ed out. The only way I can get rid of the window is to exit the data manager. The most annoying part is that the copy processes proceeds in a pseudo-random order, and so it is very hard to pick out the 300 or so lines it misses. Does anyone know why this happens? -- Keith Woollard Senior Consultant GeoCom Services Australia Pty Ltd (A.B.N. 63 068 362 498) Ph 61 (08)9243 3544 fx 61 (0)8 9246 9410 Email woollard at geocom.com.au Web www.geocom.com.au From satkinson at cohesiongeodata.com Thu Oct 29 03:13:56 2009 From: satkinson at cohesiongeodata.com (Simon Atkinson (Cohesion GeoData)) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:13:56 +1000 Subject: [GF] copy after share - details In-Reply-To: <4AE9477F.9020207@geocom.com.au> References: <4AE9477F.9020207@geocom.com.au> Message-ID: <005801ca586f$c3796f10$4a6c4d30$@com> Keith, I'm not sure this will help, but you've reminded me of a top tip for GeoFrame that is worth sharing. When you share in surveys the order of the lines can become random. Although there are sort buttons for most line lists, the lists don't remain sorted. However, if you go into Data Manager - 2D Surveys and sort the line list in there - then the lists remain sorted in every window (i.e. SeisDV, Data Manager) from then on. I tend to do this for any projects I open at client sites just to make life easier, and cos I'm like that. I'm not hopeful the sort will affect the order that the seismic copy, but it's worth a try. Having seismic copy freeze isn't something I've seen before - but I've not tried 1000 line copy myself. It may be worth checking the kernel parameters on your machine against the GF install guide in case you're coming up against some sort of limit. Good luck. Simon -----Original Message----- From: gf-bounces at stevens.com [mailto:gf-bounces at stevens.com] On Behalf Of Keith Woollard Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 5:43 PM To: GF at stevens.com Subject: [GF] copy after share - details ..... and for the record, GF44 running on Linux I am having some trouble moving some data between projects. I have a base project with some surveys and a new project with a single survey containing about 1000 lines. In the base survey, I share in the new survey, then use copy, and finally unshare. I have found that sometimes the copy process just stops, and leaves me with both the "generate" and "close" buttons grey'ed out. The only way I can get rid of the window is to exit the data manager. The most annoying part is that the copy processes proceeds in a pseudo-random order, and so it is very hard to pick out the 300 or so lines it misses. Does anyone know why this happens? -- Keith Woollard Senior Consultant GeoCom Services Australia Pty Ltd (A.B.N. 63 068 362 498) Ph 61 (08)9243 3544 fx 61 (0)8 9246 9410 Email woollard at geocom.com.au Web www.geocom.com.au _______________________________________________ GF mailing list GF at stevens.com http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/gf No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.34/2463 - Release Date: 10/28/09 19:39:00 From Danny.Burns at beachpetroleum.com.au Thu Oct 29 04:30:36 2009 From: Danny.Burns at beachpetroleum.com.au (Danny Burns) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:00:36 +1030 Subject: [GF] copy after share - details In-Reply-To: <4AE9477F.9020207@geocom.com.au> References: <4AE9477F.9020207@geocom.com.au> Message-ID: <48105903F3C9644F8C13E8D52130E66A013F5B2B4416@KARAMEA.Beachpetroleum.local> Keith, Share/copy in Gf4.3 and earlier versions is simply a pain in the arse. GF4.4 has much better copying functionality. Fortunately I don't do much of it myself these days but I know that Katie Norton at SIS in Adelaide will be able to point you in the right direction. Katie is nominally a GF Office expert but she knows a lot about copying seismic (from recent intensive experience). And its not simply by using share/copy. Cheers, Danny -----Original Message----- From: gf-bounces at stevens.com [mailto:gf-bounces at stevens.com] On Behalf Of Keith Woollard Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 6:13 PM To: GF at stevens.com Subject: [GF] copy after share - details ..... and for the record, GF44 running on Linux I am having some trouble moving some data between projects. I have a base project with some surveys and a new project with a single survey containing about 1000 lines. In the base survey, I share in the new survey, then use copy, and finally unshare. I have found that sometimes the copy process just stops, and leaves me with both the "generate" and "close" buttons grey'ed out. The only way I can get rid of the window is to exit the data manager. The most annoying part is that the copy processes proceeds in a pseudo-random order, and so it is very hard to pick out the 300 or so lines it misses. Does anyone know why this happens? -- Keith Woollard Senior Consultant GeoCom Services Australia Pty Ltd (A.B.N. 63 068 362 498) Ph 61 (08)9243 3544 fx 61 (0)8 9246 9410 Email woollard at geocom.com.au Web www.geocom.com.au _______________________________________________ GF mailing list GF at stevens.com http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/gf ______________________________________________________________________ Virus Scanned by MessageLabs ______________________________________________________________________ This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone on +61 8 8338 2833 or by return email and delete the original message. It is important to check for viruses and defects before opening or using attachments. 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The sort order is not random like many think. It's actually the order the data got loaded. the last lines you loaded into a project will be at the bottom of the list. Kind Regards, Cindy ________________________________ From: gf-bounces at stevens.com on behalf of Keith Woollard Sent: Thu 10/29/2009 2:42 AM To: GF at stevens.com Subject: [GF] copy after share - details ..... and for the record, GF44 running on Linux I am having some trouble moving some data between projects. I have a base project with some surveys and a new project with a single survey containing about 1000 lines. In the base survey, I share in the new survey, then use copy, and finally unshare. I have found that sometimes the copy process just stops, and leaves me with both the "generate" and "close" buttons grey'ed out. The only way I can get rid of the window is to exit the data manager. The most annoying part is that the copy processes proceeds in a pseudo-random order, and so it is very hard to pick out the 300 or so lines it misses. Does anyone know why this happens? -- Keith Woollard Senior Consultant GeoCom Services Australia Pty Ltd (A.B.N. 63 068 362 498) Ph 61 (08)9243 3544 fx 61 (0)8 9246 9410 Email woollard at geocom.com.au Web www.geocom.com.au _______________________________________________ GF mailing list GF at stevens.com http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/gf Confidentiality Warning: This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s), are confidential, and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, conversion to hard copy, copying, circulation or other use of all or any portion of this message and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message and any attachments from your system. From STroutman at nobleenergyinc.com Thu Oct 29 17:58:04 2009 From: STroutman at nobleenergyinc.com (STroutman at nobleenergyinc.com) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:58:04 -0500 Subject: [GF] copy after share - details Message-ID: I copy very large 3d volumes often with no problems except for running out of disk space. I have copied very little 2d volumes but have not seen the issue you are having when I do. I agree with Cindy I check on a missing patch. Regards, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bilyeu, Cindy" [Cindy.Bilyeu at dvn.com] Sent: 10/29/2009 05:19 PM EST To: "Keith Woollard" ; Subject: Re: [GF] copy after share - details Keith, We do tons of share/copies. We have a foreign office that does not have a seismic data loader. We load the data from my office then create a little "traveling" project for them of the newly loaded data. I have lots of experience doing this process and I've never seen your issue before. I'd check on patches for the OS and the application. The sort order is not random like many think. It's actually the order the data got loaded. the last lines you loaded into a project will be at the bottom of the list. Kind Regards, Cindy ________________________________ From: gf-bounces at stevens.com on behalf of Keith Woollard Sent: Thu 10/29/2009 2:42 AM To: GF at stevens.com Subject: [GF] copy after share - details ..... and for the record, GF44 running on Linux I am having some trouble moving some data between projects. I have a base project with some surveys and a new project with a single survey containing about 1000 lines. In the base survey, I share in the new survey, then use copy, and finally unshare. I have found that sometimes the copy process just stops, and leaves me with both the "generate" and "close" buttons grey'ed out. The only way I can get rid of the window is to exit the data manager. The most annoying part is that the copy processes proceeds in a pseudo-random order, and so it is very hard to pick out the 300 or so lines it misses. Does anyone know why this happens? -- Keith Woollard Senior Consultant GeoCom Services Australia Pty Ltd (A.B.N. 63 068 362 498) Ph 61 (08)9243 3544 fx 61 (0)8 9246 9410 Email woollard at geocom.com.au Web www.geocom.com.au _______________________________________________ GF mailing list GF at stevens.com http://lists.stevens.com/mailman/listinfo/gf Confidentiality Warning: This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s), are confidential, and may be privileged. 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